2005 chevy tahoe gas mileage

We're looking to move from Jeep to Subaru and want to get a Crosstrek. (We test drove a '24 base model and a '21 Forester recently and definitely felt better in the Crosstrek.) The biggest issue now is trying to decide if we should order a Sport or wait for a Wilderness. We had been set on just waiting for the Wilderness but now aren't sure.
Our main reason for wanting to wait for a Wilderness was the transmission cooler and better gearing. We live in a very rural valley, so the only way in or out (for work, shopping, errands, etc.) is over some steep, curvy mountains. It's hard on vehicles in general. The extra ground clearance and built-in navigation would be nice, but I'm not sure how often that would actually come into play.
But we'd be taking a gas mileage hit with the Wilderness, which is also an issue, as we're at least a 30-minute drive away from almost everything. The better mileage in the Sport would be great. And it would be nice to be able to get something sooner, as opposed to waiting several more months and putting that many more miles on our trade-in.
I guess we're just mainly looking for opinions from folks who are more familiar with the Crosstrek. Would it be worth waiting for the Wilderness, or should we just get a Sport and maybe go for an aftermarket transmission cooler? (We'll be putting aftermarket skid plates on it regardless of which we get, fwiw.) Thanks!

Check engine light is on, but I was told it's not an issue at the time (a few months ago).
I had an oil change in January, mileage is 241k. Battery was replaced almost a year ago.
The car will turn on and drive normally until I push the gas pedal to accelerate past 20mph, and then it'll start to jerk. Going in reverse there's no problem, and making stops is fine too.
I know I'll need to get it checked by a professional but is there anything I can look at myself or have an idea what the issue is?

I see dead Volts on Offerup and Craigslist quite often. They could have BECM issues, or one module gone in the battery pack. Chevy dealers (as this sub knows) are often terrible with these. Sometimes they are as cheap as 2000.
If I purchased one with a bad module, how long could I realistically drive one in mountain mode? At 2k, I'd need to get one year of driving out of it to get my money back in gas.

I charge $45 for a 1hr drop in puppy visit, & $30 for 30 mins- This hike would be $75, not including gas/mileage- is this too high a price?
Should I also charge for the gas/mileage of pickup/drop off?
My hourly rate is $25/hr, so should I make the additional 30 mins $12.50? This is my first time getting this kind of request outside of an overnight so I’m not entirely sure how to price myself here :/

Looking to buy a car here in the next few months. Budget of around 30k and I want something that is decent on gas mileage, reliable, and fun to drive.

Hi everyone!
Recently, my ‘03 Explorer’s transmission decided it was time to crap out, and I’m looking to get a newer Civic, since I’ve heard lots about their reliability, gas mileage, etc.
Could anyone point me in the right direction on which years and which kind of Civic would be the best choice for me?
I would like something newer than a 2015, and need something that can handle a 40 minute to-and-from drive to work. No kids or pets so space isn’t really an issue for now. I also want to know if the Civic is a generally comfortable car to drive? Good visibility, etc.?
Thanks in advance!

I plan on buying a 2003 gt convertible, or 04.
Any ways to increase mileage on gas? Like any parts I can change for better use per gallon, or eco friendly stuff not sure what to ask tbh.
I'm very ignorant to cars, and my goal would be to get more out of my gas, whether it be through driving behavior and or mod/changing compatible parts.
Thank you for your help.

Quick snapshot. (This is in Florida btw) Borrowed my stepfathers truck 2 months ago to tow a car trailer, and as a good jester I filled it up with 87 gas from Sams. Which is what the truck requires with the engine he has (5.3L V8), according to the owners manual I found online. But he only puts 93 octane from BP in his truck and all his other vehicles as well because according to him the gas makes the engines last longer, gets better mileage and more power.
Last month after he found out I put Sam Club gas in his truck he had the dealership replace basically his entire fuel system at his request even though there was nothing wrong with the truck. But he did it as a “preventative” measure. About $6,000 worth
Now he demands I pay him for the costs of the repairs and the lost of value of the truck. Or he will take me to court

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Little Misfortune	2.2 TF2	$4.47 PP	-
Little Nightmares Complete Edition	1.6 TF2	$3.22 PP	-
Little Nightmares	1.0 TF2	$2.06 PP	-
Lobotomy Corporation Monster Management Simulation	5.0 TF2	$9.99 PP	-
Loot River	3.3 TF2	$6.47 PP	-
Lost Ember	1.4 TF2	$2.76 PP	-
Luck be a Landlord	2.4 TF2 Refer To My Other Thread	$4.77 PP Refer To My Other Thread	Luck of the Draw: Roguelike Deckbuilders Bundle
METAL GEAR SOLID V: The Definitive Experience	1.5 TF2	$2.89 PP	-
MONSTER HUNTER RISE	4.1 TF2	$8.09 PP	-
MORTAL KOMBAT 11	1.8 TF2	$3.53 PP	-
MX vs ATV Reflex	0.4 TF2	$0.71 PP	-
Mad Max	1.2 TF2	$2.32 PP	-
Mafia II: Definitive Edition	3.6 TF2	$7.11 PP	-
Mafia III: Definitive Edition	2.1 TF2	$4.21 PP	-
Mafia: Definitive Edition	2.2 TF2	$4.36 PP	-
Magicka 2 - Deluxe Edition	0.8 TF2	$1.69 PP	-
Magicka 2	0.6 TF2	$1.18 PP	-
Maneater	0.8 TF2	$1.63 PP	-
Manhunt	1.1 TF2	$2.18 PP	-
Mars Horizon	0.8 TF2	$1.53 PP	-
Mass Effect™ Legendary Edition	7.7 TF2	$15.36 PP	-
Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne	0.6 TF2	$1.22 PP	-
Max Payne	1.0 TF2	$2.06 PP	-
MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries	2.5 TF2	$5.02 PP	-
Medal of Honor	2.1 TF2	$4.24 PP	-
Mega Man Legacy Collection	0.5 TF2	$0.9 PP	-
Men of War: Assault Squad 2 - Deluxe Edition	0.8 TF2	$1.69 PP	-
Men of War: Assault Squad 2 War Chest Edition	0.8 TF2	$1.6 PP	-
Men of War: Assault Squad 2	0.8 TF2	$1.6 PP	-
Metro 2033 Redux	0.5 TF2	$1.05 PP	-
Metro Exodus	1.4 TF2	$2.79 PP	-
Metro Redux Bundle	1.1 TF2	$2.17 PP	-
Metro: Last Light Redux	1.1 TF2	$2.26 PP	-
Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Game of the Year Edition	0.9 TF2	$1.71 PP	-
Middle-earth™: Shadow of War™	0.9 TF2	$1.8 PP	-
Middleearth Shadow of War Definitive Edition	1.2 TF2	$2.37 PP	-
Midnight Ghost Hunt	2.5 TF2 Refer To My Other Thread	$4.93 PP Refer To My Other Thread	May Multiplayer Bundle
Mini Ninjas	0.5 TF2	$1.05 PP	-
Mirror's Edge	2.2 TF2	$4.36 PP	-
Miscreated	1.4 TF2	$2.87 PP	-
Monster Hunter: World	3.5 TF2	$6.89 PP	-
Monster Sanctuary	0.6 TF2	$1.26 PP	-
Monster Train	0.5 TF2	$0.92 PP	-
Moonlighter	0.4 TF2	$0.85 PP	-
Moons of Madness	1.7 TF2	$3.48 PP	-
Mordhau	1.7 TF2	$3.32 PP	-
Mortal Shell	1.4 TF2	$2.77 PP	-
Motorcycle Mechanic Simulator 2021	0.8 TF2	$1.58 PP	-
Motorsport Manager	1.3 TF2	$2.55 PP	-
Move or Die	0.7 TF2	$1.46 PP	-
Moving Out	1.4 TF2	$2.82 PP	-
Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden - Deluxe Edition	1.5 TF2	$3.01 PP	-
My Friend Pedro	1.0 TF2	$1.91 PP	-
My Time At Portia	0.7 TF2	$1.43 PP	-
NARUTO SHIPPUDEN: Ultimate Ninja STORM 4 Road to Boruto	2.6 TF2	$5.23 PP	-
NARUTO SHIPPUDEN: Ultimate Ninja STORM Revolution	0.8 TF2	$1.5 PP	-
NASCAR Heat 5 - Ultimate Edition	0.6 TF2	$1.1 PP	-
NBA 2K13	4.8 TF2	$9.52 PP	-
Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 4	1.6 TF2	$3.14 PP	-
Naruto to Boruto Shinobi Striker - Deluxe Edition	1.6 TF2	$3.13 PP	-
Naruto to Boruto Shinobi Striker	0.4 TF2	$0.83 PP	-
Necromunda: Hired Gun	0.7 TF2	$1.45 PP	-
Neon Abyss	0.5 TF2	$1.01 PP	-
Neverwinter Nights: Complete Adventures	3.7 TF2	$7.33 PP	-
Nine Parchments	2.1 TF2	$4.27 PP	-
No Time to Relax	2.9 TF2	$5.75 PP	-
Northgard	3.8 TF2 Refer To My Other Thread	$7.64 PP Refer To My Other Thread	May Multiplayer Bundle
Not For Broadcast	0.7 TF2	$1.36 PP	-
ONE PIECE BURNING BLOOD GOLD EDITION	2.0 TF2	$3.91 PP	-
ONE PIECE BURNING BLOOD	0.7 TF2	$1.46 PP	-
ONE PIECE PIRATE WARRIORS 3 Gold Edition	1.2 TF2	$2.38 PP	-
Observer	0.4 TF2	$0.74 PP	-
Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty	0.4 TF2	$0.72 PP	-
One Step From Eden	0.5 TF2	$1.03 PP	-
Operation: Tango	0.4 TF2 Refer To My Other Thread	$0.8 PP Refer To My Other Thread	Humble Choice (May 2023)
Opus Magnum	1.1 TF2	$2.13 PP	-
Orcs Must Die! 3	1.9 TF2	$3.69 PP	-
Outlast 2	0.6 TF2	$1.17 PP	-
Outlast	0.5 TF2	$1.06 PP	-
Outward	1.5 TF2	$2.94 PP	-
Overcooked	1.0 TF2	$2.02 PP	-
Overcooked! 2	1.3 TF2	$2.59 PP	-
Overgrowth	0.8 TF2	$1.53 PP	-
Overlord II	0.4 TF2	$0.85 PP	-
Owlboy	1.0 TF2	$2.04 PP	-
PC Building Simulator	0.7 TF2	$1.32 PP	-
PGA TOUR 2K21	0.6 TF2	$1.24 PP	-
Paint the Town Red	2.4 TF2	$4.73 PP	-
Parkitect	5.5 TF2	$10.98 PP	-
Party Hard 2	0.4 TF2	$0.71 PP	-
Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition	0.6 TF2	$1.25 PP	-
Pathologic 2	0.5 TF2	$1.04 PP	-
Pathologic Classic HD	0.4 TF2	$0.85 PP	-
Per Aspera	0.7 TF2	$1.39 PP	-
Phantom Doctrine	0.4 TF2	$0.85 PP	-
Pillars of Eternity Definitive Edition	1.3 TF2	$2.66 PP	-
Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire	1.0 TF2	$2.07 PP	-
Pistol Whip	6.2 TF2	$12.33 PP	-
Plague Inc: Evolved	1.6 TF2	$3.23 PP	-
Planescape: Torment: Enhanced Edition	0.4 TF2	$0.78 PP	-
Planet Coaster	1.8 TF2	$3.55 PP	-
Planet Zoo	2.0 TF2	$3.93 PP	-
Planetary Annihilation: TITANS	6.0 TF2	$11.91 PP	-
Portal Knights	1.3 TF2	$2.62 PP	-
Power Rangers: Battle for the Grid	2.8 TF2	$5.48 PP	-
PowerBeatsVR	1.0 TF2	$1.99 PP	-
PowerSlave Exhumed	1.4 TF2	$2.79 PP	-
Praey for the Gods	0.6 TF2	$1.16 PP	-
Prehistoric Kingdom	1.5 TF2	$2.93 PP	-
Prison Architect	0.4 TF2	$0.76 PP	-
Pro Cycling Manager 2019	1.3 TF2	$2.61 PP	-
Project Hospital	2.4 TF2	$4.82 PP	-
Project Wingman	2.6 TF2	$5.21 PP	-
Project Winter	1.1 TF2	$2.17 PP	-
Propnight	0.7 TF2	$1.32 PP	-
Pumpkin Jack	0.4 TF2	$0.84 PP	-
Quantum Break	2.0 TF2	$4.0 PP	-
RESIDENT EVIL 3	2.3 TF2	$4.49 PP	-
RUGBY 20	1.3 TF2	$2.58 PP	-
RWBY: Grimm Eclipse	3.3 TF2	$6.62 PP	-
Ragnaröck	3.5 TF2	$6.93 PP	-
Rain World	1.1 TF2 Refer To My Other Thread	$2.19 PP Refer To My Other Thread	Must-Play Metroidvanias Bundle
Raw Data	1.1 TF2	$2.17 PP	-
Re:Legend	1.1 TF2	$2.13 PP	-
Red Faction Guerrilla Re-Mars-tered	0.5 TF2	$0.95 PP	-
Red Matter	4.5 TF2	$8.95 PP	-
Resident Evil / biohazard HD REMASTER	1.1 TF2	$2.23 PP	-
Resident Evil 0 / biohazard 0 HD Remaster	1.2 TF2	$2.35 PP	-
Resident Evil 5 GOLD Edition	1.8 TF2	$3.53 PP	-
Resident Evil 5	1.1 TF2	$2.16 PP	-
Resident Evil 6	1.4 TF2	$2.81 PP	-
Resident Evil: Revelations 2 Deluxe Edition	2.5 TF2	$4.88 PP	-
Resident Evil: Revelations	0.8 TF2	$1.5 PP	-
Retro Machina	0.5 TF2	$1.02 PP	-
Risen 2: Dark Waters Gold Edition	1.4 TF2	$2.88 PP	-
Risen 3 - Complete Edition	1.0 TF2	$2.07 PP	-
Risen	0.9 TF2	$1.82 PP	-
Rising Storm 2: Vietnam	0.7 TF2	$1.34 PP	-
River City Girls	1.4 TF2	$2.87 PP	-
Roboquest	0.5 TF2	$1.06 PP	-
RollerCoaster Tycoon Deluxe	1.1 TF2	$2.09 PP	-
Rollercoaster Tycoon 2: Triple Thrill Pack	1.6 TF2	$3.28 PP	-
Rubber Bandits	0.8 TF2	$1.52 PP	-
Ryse: Son of Rome	1.7 TF2	$3.38 PP	-
SCP: Pandemic	2.2 TF2	$4.28 PP	-
SCUM	3.0 TF2	$5.96 PP	-
SOMA	2.4 TF2	$4.8 PP	-
SONG OF HORROR Complete Edition	0.7 TF2	$1.42 PP	-
STAR WARS® THE FORCE UNLEASHED II	0.8 TF2	$1.62 PP	-
STAR WARS™: Squadrons	1.6 TF2	$3.23 PP	-
SUPERHOT VR	2.3 TF2	$4.51 PP	-
SUPERHOT	0.8 TF2	$1.59 PP	-
SUPERHOT: MIND CONTROL DELETE	0.5 TF2	$1.02 PP	-
Saint's Row The Third Remastered	2.3 TF2	$4.5 PP	-
Saints Row 2	0.6 TF2	$1.16 PP	-
Saints Row IV Game of the Century Edition	1.1 TF2	$2.25 PP	-
Saints Row IV	1.0 TF2	$2.05 PP	-
Saints Row the Third - The Full Package	1.0 TF2	$1.93 PP	-
Saints Row: The Third	0.6 TF2	$1.27 PP	-
Salt and Sanctuary	1.1 TF2	$2.15 PP	-
Sanctum 2	0.5 TF2	$1.06 PP	-
Satisfactory	6.5 TF2	$13.01 PP	-
Second Extinction	2.1 TF2	$4.11 PP	-
Secret Neighbor	0.9 TF2	$1.85 PP	-
Serious Sam 2	0.8 TF2	$1.58 PP	-
Serious Sam 3: BFE	1.0 TF2	$1.99 PP	-
Serious Sam 4	4.0 TF2	$7.94 PP	-
Serious Sam: Siberian Mayhem	2.3 TF2	$4.51 PP	-
Shadow Man Remastered	1.0 TF2	$2.0 PP	-
Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun	0.4 TF2	$0.85 PP	-
Shadow Warrior 2	0.9 TF2	$1.76 PP	-
Shadow of the Tomb Raider	3.2 TF2	$6.37 PP	-
Shenmue 3	1.3 TF2	$2.58 PP	-
Shenmue I & II	1.3 TF2	$2.58 PP	-
Shining Resonance Refrain	0.5 TF2	$0.96 PP	-
Sid Meier's Civilization VI : Platinum Edition	3.0 TF2	$6.03 PP	-
Sid Meier's Civilization VI	0.7 TF2	$1.47 PP	-
Sid Meier's Civilization® V: The Complete Edition	1.9 TF2	$3.76 PP	-
Sid Meiers Civilization IV: The Complete Edition	0.8 TF2	$1.6 PP	-
Siege of Centauri	0.6 TF2	$1.16 PP	-
SimCasino	1.3 TF2	$2.56 PP	-
SimplePlanes	1.9 TF2	$3.78 PP	-
Skullgirls 2nd Encore	1.2 TF2	$2.47 PP	-
Slap City	1.1 TF2	$2.25 PP	-
Slay the Spire	3.6 TF2	$7.17 PP	-
Sleeping Dogs: Definitive Edition	1.0 TF2	$1.93 PP	-
Slime Rancher	1.7 TF2	$3.32 PP	-
Sniper Elite 3	1.1 TF2	$2.14 PP	-
Sniper Elite 4	1.3 TF2	$2.53 PP	-
Sniper Elite V2 Remastered	1.3 TF2	$2.5 PP	-
Sniper Elite V2	1.0 TF2	$2.05 PP	-
Sniper Ghost Warrior 3	0.8 TF2	$1.58 PP	-
Sniper Ghost Warrior Contracts	0.9 TF2	$1.88 PP	-
Sonic Adventure DX	0.5 TF2	$0.92 PP	-
Sonic Adventure™ 2	0.9 TF2	$1.86 PP	-
Sonic Mania	1.3 TF2	$2.6 PP	-
Soul Calibur VI	1.6 TF2	$3.24 PP	-
Source of Madness	0.6 TF2	$1.13 PP	-
Space Engineers	2.7 TF2	$5.3 PP	-
Space Haven	0.6 TF2	$1.15 PP	-
Spec Ops: The Line	0.9 TF2	$1.81 PP	-
SpeedRunners	0.5 TF2	$1.04 PP	-
Spellcaster University	0.5 TF2	$0.9 PP	-
Spelunky	1.1 TF2	$2.23 PP	-
Spirit Of The Island	1.3 TF2	$2.59 PP	-
Spiritfarer	1.1 TF2 Refer To My Other Thread	$2.18 PP Refer To My Other Thread	Humble Choice (May 2023)
SpongeBob SquarePants: Battle for Bikini Bottom - Rehydrated	1.3 TF2	$2.51 PP	-
Spyro™ Reignited Trilogy	4.8 TF2	$9.65 PP	-
Star Renegades	3.0 TF2	$5.94 PP	-
Star Trek: Bridge Crew	4.3 TF2	$8.62 PP	-
Star Wars Republic Commando™	0.4 TF2	$0.71 PP	-
Star Wars: Battlefront 2 (Classic, 2005)	1.4 TF2	$2.7 PP	-
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic	0.4 TF2	$0.85 PP	-
Star Wars® Empire at War™: Gold Pack	1.2 TF2	$2.39 PP	-
Starbound	1.1 TF2	$2.24 PP	-
Starpoint Gemini Warlords	1.7 TF2	$3.48 PP	-
State of Decay 2: Juggernaut Edition	3.0 TF2	$5.92 PP	-
Staxel	0.6 TF2	$1.15 PP	-
SteamWorld Quest: Hand of Gilgamech	0.9 TF2	$1.83 PP	-
Steel Division: Normandy 44	1.5 TF2	$2.91 PP	-
Stellaris Galaxy Edition	1.8 TF2	$3.56 PP	-
Stellaris	1.6 TF2	$3.24 PP	-
Stellaris: Lithoids Species Pack	0.7 TF2	$1.49 PP	-
Stick Fight: The Game	0.6 TF2	$1.1 PP	-
Strategic Command WWII: World at War	2.1 TF2	$4.26 PP	-
Street Fighter 30th Anniversary Collection	1.5 TF2	$2.94 PP	-
Streets of Rogue	0.6 TF2	$1.24 PP	-
Stronghold 2: Steam Edition	2.0 TF2	$4.0 PP	-
Stronghold Crusader 2	0.9 TF2	$1.84 PP	-
Stronghold Crusader HD	0.6 TF2	$1.24 PP	-
Stronghold Legends: Steam Edition	0.9 TF2	$1.76 PP	-
Styx: Shards Of Darkness	0.9 TF2	$1.76 PP	-
Subnautica	3.6 TF2	$7.15 PP	-
Summer in Mara	0.5 TF2	$1.09 PP	-
Sunless Sea	0.4 TF2	$0.76 PP	-
Sunless Skies	0.7 TF2	$1.34 PP	-
Sunset Overdrive	1.0 TF2	$2.01 PP	-
Super Meat Boy	0.5 TF2	$1.08 PP	-
Superliminal	1.9 TF2	$3.84 PP	-
Supraland Six Inches Under	1.5 TF2	$2.89 PP	-
Supreme Commander 2	0.8 TF2	$1.62 PP	-
Supreme Commander Forged Alliance	2.0 TF2	$4.02 PP	-
Surgeon Simulator: Experience Reality	1.8 TF2	$3.5 PP	-
Survive the Nights	0.8 TF2	$1.69 PP	-
Surviving Mars	0.5 TF2	$0.92 PP	-
Surviving the Aftermath	0.7 TF2	$1.41 PP	-
Sword Art Online Fatal Bullet - Complete Edition	3.2 TF2	$6.45 PP	-
Sword Art Online Hollow Realization Deluxe Edition	1.5 TF2	$3.01 PP	-
Syberia: The World Before	1.2 TF2	$2.32 PP	-
Synth Riders	3.5 TF2	$6.96 PP	-
TEKKEN 7	1.5 TF2	$2.9 PP	-
THE KING OF FIGHTERS '98 ULTIMATE MATCH FINAL EDITION	0.4 TF2	$0.85 PP	-
THE KING OF FIGHTERS 2002 UNLIMITED MATCH	0.6 TF2	$1.18 PP	-
Tales from the Borderlands	3.4 TF2	$6.83 PP	-
Tales of Berseria	1.1 TF2	$2.12 PP	-
Tales of Zestiria	0.9 TF2	$1.72 PP	-
Talisman: Digital Edition	0.5 TF2	$0.94 PP	-
Tank Mechanic Simulator	1.1 TF2	$2.17 PP	-
Telltale Batman Shadows Edition	1.0 TF2	$1.9 PP	-
Terraforming Mars	0.6 TF2	$1.15 PP	-
Terraria	2.1 TF2	$4.26 PP	-
The Ascent	1.1 TF2	$2.26 PP	-
The Battle of Polytopia	0.4 TF2	$0.85 PP	-
The Beast Inside	0.4 TF2	$0.77 PP	-
The Blackout Club	0.6 TF2	$1.17 PP	-
The Dark Pictures Anthology: Little Hope	1.6 TF2	$3.12 PP	-
The Dark Pictures Anthology: Man of Medan	2.2 TF2	$4.42 PP	-
The Darkness II	0.5 TF2	$0.99 PP	-
The Dungeon Of Naheulbeuk: The Amulet Of Chaos	0.8 TF2	$1.69 PP	-
The Escapists 2	0.9 TF2	$1.85 PP	-
The Escapists	0.6 TF2	$1.13 PP	-
The Henry Stickmin Collection	0.7 TF2	$1.46 PP	-
The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing Final Cut	1.3 TF2	$2.67 PP	-
The Intruder	2.2 TF2	$4.28 PP	-
The Jackbox Party Pack 2	2.0 TF2	$4.02 PP	-
The Jackbox Party Pack 3	2.9 TF2	$5.76 PP	-
The Jackbox Party Pack 4	2.1 TF2	$4.14 PP	-
The Jackbox Party Pack 5	3.1 TF2	$6.15 PP	-
The Jackbox Party Pack 6	2.8 TF2	$5.58 PP	-
The Jackbox Party Pack	1.1 TF2	$2.18 PP	-
The LEGO Movie 2 Videogame	0.4 TF2	$0.8 PP	-
The Last Campfire	0.4 TF2	$0.78 PP	-
The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky	1.8 TF2	$3.57 PP	-
The Long Dark	2.0 TF2	$4.0 PP	-
The Long Dark: Survival Edition	0.4 TF2	$0.78 PP	-
The Mortuary Assistant	2.4 TF2	$4.82 PP	-
The Red Solstice 2: Survivors	0.4 TF2	$0.78 PP	-
The Surge 2	0.9 TF2	$1.83 PP	-
The Survivalists	0.7 TF2	$1.36 PP	-
The Talos Principle	1.0 TF2	$2.06 PP	-
The Walking Dead: A New Frontier	0.4 TF2	$0.71 PP	-
The Walking Dead: The Final Season	0.5 TF2	$0.92 PP	-
The Walking Dead: The Telltale Definitive Series	2.2 TF2	$4.41 PP	-
The Witness	3.7 TF2	$7.29 PP	-
The Wolf Among Us	1.4 TF2	$2.83 PP	-
This Is the Police	0.4 TF2	$0.85 PP	-
This War of Mine: Complete Edition	0.7 TF2	$1.36 PP	-
Titan Quest Anniversary Edition	0.6 TF2	$1.22 PP	-
Torchlight II	0.6 TF2	$1.19 PP	-
Total Tank Simulator	0.4 TF2	$0.74 PP	-
Total War SHOGUN 2	3.5 TF2	$7.03 PP	-
Total War Shogun 2 Collection	1.7 TF2	$3.48 PP	-
Total War: ATTILA	2.1 TF2	$4.19 PP	-
Total War: Empire - Definitive Edition	1.8 TF2	$3.61 PP	-
Total War: Napoleon - Definitive Edition	1.6 TF2	$3.2 PP	-
Total War: Rome II - Emperor Edition	2.8 TF2	$5.54 PP	-
Total War™: WARHAMMER®	3.1 TF2	$6.25 PP	-
Totally Accurate Battle Simulator	2.9 TF2	$5.68 PP	-
Totally Reliable Delivery Service	0.6 TF2	$1.29 PP	-
Tour de France 2020	0.6 TF2	$1.15 PP	-
Tower Unite	5.2 TF2	$10.39 PP	-
Townscaper	0.6 TF2	$1.18 PP	-
Trailmakers Deluxe Edition	1.5 TF2	$2.93 PP	-
Train Simulator Classic	0.9 TF2	$1.7 PP	-
Tribes of Midgard	0.9 TF2	$1.8 PP	-
Tricky Towers	2.0 TF2	$3.98 PP	-
Trine 2: Complete Story	0.4 TF2	$0.85 PP	-
Trine 4: The Nightmare Prince	1.2 TF2	$2.42 PP	-
Trine Ultimate Collection	4.1 TF2	$8.22 PP	-
Tropico 5 – Complete Collection	0.8 TF2	$1.6 PP	-
Tropico 6 El-Prez Edition	2.5 TF2	$5.07 PP	-
Tropico 6	2.3 TF2	$4.55 PP	-
Turmoil	0.4 TF2	$0.73 PP	-
Turok	0.4 TF2	$0.76 PP	-
Two Point Hospital	2.2 TF2	$4.28 PP	-
Tyranny - Gold Edition	0.6 TF2	$1.22 PP	-
Ultimate Chicken Horse	1.8 TF2	$3.57 PP	-
Ultimate Fishing Simulator	0.5 TF2	$0.92 PP	-
Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3	1.7 TF2	$3.4 PP	-
Ultra Street Fighter IV	0.6 TF2	$1.15 PP	-
Undertale	2.0 TF2	$4.07 PP	-
Universe Sandbox	4.6 TF2	$9.15 PP	-
Unrailed!	1.5 TF2	$3.0 PP	-
Until You Fall	0.7 TF2	$1.4 PP	-
VTOL VR	6.5 TF2	$13.01 PP	-
Vacation Simulator	5.2 TF2	$10.32 PP	-
Vagante	0.7 TF2	$1.41 PP	-
Valkyria Chronicles 4 Complete Edition	1.5 TF2	$2.93 PP	-
Vampyr	1.6 TF2	$3.27 PP	-
Verdun	0.4 TF2	$0.73 PP	-
Victor Vran	0.8 TF2	$1.62 PP	-
Visage	2.9 TF2	$5.87 PP	-
Viscera Cleanup Detail	1.9 TF2	$3.75 PP	-
Void Bastards	0.4 TF2	$0.84 PP	-
Volcanoids	1.4 TF2	$2.81 PP	-
Vox Machinae	3.4 TF2	$6.78 PP	-
Wargame European Escalation	0.4 TF2	$0.72 PP	-
Wargame: Red Dragon	5.3 TF2	$10.56 PP	-
Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate - Daemonhunters	2.2 TF2 Refer To My Other Thread	$4.28 PP Refer To My Other Thread	Humble Choice (May 2023)
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War - Master Collection	1.6 TF2	$3.12 PP	-
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II - Grand Master Collection	2.0 TF2	$3.93 PP	-
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II: Retribution	0.8 TF2	$1.62 PP	-
Warhammer 40,000: Gladius - Relics of War	1.0 TF2	$1.95 PP	-
Warhammer 40,000: Gladius - Tyranids	1.6 TF2	$3.12 PP	-
Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine Collection	2.0 TF2	$4.07 PP	-
Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine	1.7 TF2	$3.29 PP	-
Warhammer: Chaosbane - Slayer Edition	1.1 TF2	$2.09 PP	-
Warhammer: End Times - Vermintide Collector's Edition	0.7 TF2	$1.38 PP	-
Warhammer: Vermintide 2 - Collector's Edition	1.5 TF2	$3.02 PP	-
Warhammer: Vermintide 2	0.8 TF2	$1.52 PP	-
Warhammer® 40,000™: Dawn of War® II	0.6 TF2	$1.26 PP	-
Warhammer® 40,000™: Dawn of War® III	1.7 TF2	$3.33 PP	-
Warpips	0.8 TF2	$1.53 PP	-
Wasteland 3	1.3 TF2	$2.55 PP	-
We Happy Few	0.8 TF2	$1.62 PP	-
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Intro:
I test drove a Taycan Turbo a couple of years ago and absolutely fell in love with the car. It had this amazing blend of performance and technology that really appealed to me, but unfortunately was very much out of my price range.
I was fortunate enough to get some lucky rolls of the dice financially and was able to add a C8 Corvette to my garage while still maintaining a Model 3 Performance as a daily driver. I had long thought that this was the ultimate price performance power combo. The Model 3 Performance punches way above its weight class for the price. While the C8 provides the supercar driving experience for a fraction of the money. Though the power combo is a match that I am very lucky to have in my garage, all isn’t perfect. I spend the vast majority of my time in my Tesla and there are a lot of instances where it doesn’t quite feel special or unique enough nowadays. Likewise, I hate buying gas for my C8, and despite its overall driving prowess it does actually feel a little slow compared to my Model 3 due to its lack of instantaneous torque that I’ve grown accustomed to. I also feel like I have a lot of money being spent on a C8 that I only get to experience on the weekends so have been curious if there’s a way to experience a bit more of that “specialness” day to day.
I then looked at some used Porsche Taycans randomly one day and noticed that used 4S models and used Turbo models were well below the combined price of both of my Tesla and Corvette. So for the past few weeks I became obsessed with the question of whether a single Taycan could give me the best of both my Model 3 and Corvette in a package that was ultimately cheaper than the combined cost of both cars.
I decided to rent a modestly specced Taycan 4S on turo and arrange for an unscientific shoot out amongst all three cars.
About the cars:
https://imgur.com/a/UozILRv
I unfortunately do not know much about the Taycan 4S I rented on Turo however it looked to have the premium pack equipped, the larger performance plus battery, and not much else. It came on the car’s stock standard 19” aero rims.
The Model 3 Performance is a 2022 model year with the refreshed interior.
The C8 is a 2021 2LT with the Z51 package, Magnaride, and front end lift.
Handling (all three)
The handling and ride comfort on all three of these cars is quite good but the Taycan and Corvette are a clear notch above the Tesla. When competing head to head the Corvette beats out the Taycan as a whole due to its weight advantage, but it’s surprising how close the Taycan is to the Corvette.
The Tesla has the least sophisticated suspension of the bunch, but it has quick and darty steering which makes it feel especially agile with its low center of gravity and punchy acceleration. Unfortunately on the twisties the Tesla begins to really lose confidence and starts to wash out somewhere between the 70-80mph range, whereas the other two cars feel planted and ask you to push them further. Likewise, the Tesla’s brakes really aren’t up to the task of bailing you out of any situation once you get into that 70-80mph range on the twisties. Interestingly the Model 3 does weigh about 800lbs less than the Taycan and you can very much feel that weight advantage when throwing it into turns and other tight maneuvers.
The Taycan has the most sophisticated suspension of the bunch with an adaptive air suspension that can adjust both ride height and stiffness. Taycans with more performance options included can also have rear wheel steer, advanced torque vectoring, and anti-roll control, but my Taycan was not equipped with these luxuries. The big elephant in the room is the Taycan’s weight, which can be anywhere between 4800lbs-5100lbs depending on your model, options, etc. Around town you very much feel the Taycan’s extra weight, but it simultaneously also does a good job hiding it.
For instance, my neighborhood has a small roundabout that I had each car take at about 30 mph. Both the Tesla and Model 3 had no problem coming out of the roundabout in a relatively tight and controlled fashion, whereas the Taycan definitely felt like it was having a hard time committing to the line the other cars could take. On the flip side, with more curvaceous terrain (say a canyon or moderate twisties) the car feels very planted, confidence inspiring, capable, and it asks you to push it further. The brakes also feel like they are very capable of bailing you out of any situation. You notice the Tesla’s 4000lb weight with its brakes more than you notice the Taycan’s 4800lbs under braking. Steering in the Taycan is very direct and responsive, but due to the car’s weight and size it can actually feel a little boat-like compared to the other cars when driving them back to back.
As an overall package the Corvette yielded the best result in terms of handling. The steering is quick, easy to place, and communicative compared to the other cars. While I typically feel like the Corvette is a large car, it began to feel very small compared to the Taycan. The biggest difference was its 1100lb weight advantage which allowed it to transition and set itself up much more quickly compared to the other cars in all facets of a corner. The brakes on the Corvette are also superb and legitimately feel like you’re dropping an anchor when you put full pressure on them. Now I will say the Taycan wasn’t far off the Corvette’s mark as a whole, especially on the street, but you could typically feel the Taycan needing to sort itself due to its weight whereas everything felt like it came much more naturally to the Corvette.
Ride Comfort (all three)
I put this in a separate category because I find ride comfort makes a big impact on performance and how hard you can push a car, but also has a lot of implications for how the vehicle accomplishes day to day tasks.
The Taycan is the overall winner of ride comfort here, while the Corvette is not too far behind, and the Tesla is last.
The Tesla has the least sophisticated suspension of the bunch so it’s not exactly a fair fight. While I personally do not find the Tesla to be harsh to experience day to day, on longer trips it can be a fatiguing car to be in, and you do realize what you are missing in the Model 3 after riding in the Taycan and the Corvette. Still I find the Tesla to have a really nice blend of sportiness, comfort, and control.
The C8’s ride quality is superb with magna-ride giving the car a noticeable adjustment in personality and handling characteristics between, tour, sport, and track modes. The C8’s suspension makes it incredibly comfortable to be in for long periods of time, and highway cruising very much feels like a dream on this car. That being said, I do find that certain imperfections can unsettle the car and oddly the car has a tendency to shift diagonally or to the side as opposed to absorbing a bump vertically. This hasn’t ever really caught me off in serious driving, but it can be slightly disconcerting feeling the car shift in what feels to be an unintuitive way. In spirited driving a noticed very little difference between the Taycan’s suspension and the Corvette’s. This isn’t to say that there weren’t differences, just both cars provided a seemingly comparable amount of confidence and ride comfort.
The Taycan does edge out the Corvette in ride comfort because it does present a much smoother ride in normal, day to day conditions. Again, it’s not like the Corvette has a bad ride by any means, but the Taycan’s air suspension does provide a high degree of isolation, and you very much feel like you’re on a cloud whereas the Corvette does transmit a small degree of imperfections and can give the impression of being stiff in some instances compared to the Taycan.
What I found with the Taycan is increasing suspension aggressiveness (ride height, and damper settings) never seemed to actually compromise ride quality, it just improved the level of control and how “tight” the car felt overall. Whereas in the Corvette tour mode can feel a little too soft and floaty, sport essentially allows you to take everything with a single controlled “bump”, and track tightens things up but also transmits a bunch of imperfections that don’t exactly give you more feedback about what the car is doing, nor help improve your confidence.
Again, this isn’t to say that the Corvette’s ride quality is bad by any means…it’s pretty fantastic. In my opinion the Tacyan has the best performance oriented ride quality I’ve ever felt, and the Corvette just happens to be second best.
Acceleration (all three)
I would say the acceleration amongst all three of these cars is a dead heat on the streets. They each deliver an incredible amount of power and speed but they do so differently and I think anyone will find joy in how these cars accelerate.
If we were to do a drag race the Tesla would be the quickest of the bunch. It has a very “bursty” amount of speed and torque that it’s happy to deliver in immense doses from anywhere between 0-80mph. The Model 3 also obtained the highest “G” acceleration out of the three cars. With a .9 G from a dead stop and .7 G being delivered with a full stab of the throttle at speed. Though the Tesla definitely feels the quickest on the road, it does lose steam at around 80mph and the car generally doesn’t feel like it wants to go much faster than 100mph. The beauty of the Tesla’s power delivery is how easy it is. Just press the pedal and you’ll get the full beans no matter what you’re doing.
The Taycan has an interesting approach to its acceleration. It has a 2-speed gear box which allows the car to deliver a bit more torque at higher speeds. This gearbox does give the Taycan a very healthy amount of pull at 80mph, and the car doesn’t feel like it’s running out of steam past 100mph. That high-end speed does come at the expense of some low-end responsiveness. When at a dead stop and mashing the pedal, the car will sometimes hesitate for a split moment as it tries to decide which gear to use. Likewise the Taycan’s acceleration feels much more linear. The Tesla wants to melt your face off right from the get-go, but the Taycan keeps pushing you back in your seat the longer you use the pedal.
I’m really not a fan of using launch control on the street, since I just find the setup procedure to not always be appropriate when other traffic is around. However the Taycan’s launch mode is an absolute treat. It rockets you back initially and then the 2nd gear kicks in several seconds later and you get another surge of speed. Where a Tesla’s launch feels like it’s probably good for about 4 seconds worth of enjoyment, a Taycan’s feels like it’s good for about 8-10 seconds worth of fun.
The Taycan pulled .8 G in launch mode but could only manage to pull .4 G when mashing the pedal at basically any speed, I think this .4 G acceleration is due to the car’s weight and how linearly Porsche decides to deliver the power.
The Corvette decidedly feels the least torquey of the bunch, but has the best power to weight ratio and has no problem letting its speed climb to very high numbers with seemingly little effort. I rarely use launch control in my C8, so while I don’t have a launch G-force to compare to, the Corvette was regularly pulling .55 and .65 G’s doing 3rd and 4th gear pulls. It did pull .7 G’s on a second gear pull, but due to how the torque builds the .7 G’s did not feel nearly as strong or as aggressive as Tesla’s .7 G’s.
So to describe the acceleration characteristics broadly.
The Tesla is the 0-80mph champion and the quickest off the line. The Porsche is slower and less responsive off the line, but gives you a much better pull 80mph+ and has a more satisfying torque/acceleration curve all around. Despite being a torque monster of an ICE vehicle, the Corvette feels the least torquey all throughout but feels like it’s the quickest and easiest to hit high numbers in. It particularly loves 3rd and 4th gear pulls.
Canyon Carving (all three)
I took all three cars through a nearby canyon that I essentially drive every weekend and did the same loop in each car. Trying to push it as much as I felt comfortable/safe to do so.
The first car up was the Taycan. After driving the Taycan around town and feeling its weight in certain corners and a slightly hesitant acceleration in some instances, I was ready to write it off compared to the Corvette. Boy was I wrong.
The Taycan attacks canyon corners with a supreme amount of confidence and is happy to load you up on a variety of G-forces. Its suspension, even in its stiffest “sports plus” setting never felt rough or punishing, it simply provided more control over the vehicle. Despite the car’s weight, the brakes felt completely capable of keeping me out of trouble. I honestly thought the Taycan would start to let off or give up the more I pushed it, and instead it was very happy asking for more.
What I particularly enjoyed was the fact that the silent EV motors let me push the car quite a bit without drawing too much attention to myself. Likewise if I got stuck behind slower moving traffic, it felt more “okay” than it did in the Corvette because I wasn’t burning gas, and the car is a little more suited to normal driving.
With EV’s there’s also very much an “invisible safety blanket” that the electric motors and traction control feel like they provide. They are so fast to respond to everything, that you really do feel like you can never get yourself into trouble. The Corvette has a healthy amount of aides as well, but they feel like “Orc” technology compared to an EV’s “Elven” technology.
I will be honest in saying that I was probably able to push the Taycan harder than I was able to push the Corvette and it made me feel like a bit of a superhero in the car. I honestly couldn’t believe that a car that had 4 doors was able to essentially give me a very comparable canyon carving experience to my Corvette. My neck and back were actually tired due to the G’s I was able to pull in the Taycan and I’ve yet to feel that in the Corvette.
I then hopped into my Corvette and it was like having the best college football team play against an NFL team. Yes there’s a ton of talent on that college football team but the NFL team is just operating at a whole different pace. The Corvette was able to take everything I threw at it with ease. If I had the Taycan operating at 7/10ths the Corvette was able to achieve those speeds at what felt like closer to 5/10ths for it.
The C8 felt much quicker to respond to every input and felt like it was always ready to continue accelerating due to its lighter weight, whereas the Taycan would almost take a moment to settle itself before rocking you back with its power.
As mentioned above, I did have a hard time pushing the Corvette as hard as the Taycan for two reasons. First the exhaust very much announces how hard you are pushing the car and there’s only so much you can do while still appearing somewhat outwardly responsible. Secondly, the Corvette doesn’t quite feel like it has the “invisible shield” of the Taycan which will not only bail you out of any problem, but will also prevent you from getting into any problem to begin with. This isn’t to say that the Corvette isn’t confidence inspiring, or doesn’t do a lot to help you as a driver, but you get the sense that Corvette can find itself in a situation where it really can’t help you, and the Taycan makes it feel like that’s never a possibility.
Though the Corvette felt like it was much more of a natural in the canyons (and rightfully so), that next level of performance in the Corvette feels like it’s something you have to explore at the track, whereas the Taycan feels like it can give you everything its got in the canyons. In a way the Taycan feels like it is much more optimized to be fun, fast, and enjoyable in a canyon, where the Corvette has a lot of track capability that translates well to the canyons, but some of that track capability is an edginess that you don’t really want to explore on the streets and doesn’t exactly translate to driving fun as directly as the Taycan’s driving experience does.
The Tesla was the least impressive of the bunch in the canyons. It had the most rapid acceleration, but would consistently wash-out around 70mph or so. Whereas the other two cars would give you what you asked for and then ask you to push them more, the Tesla would kind of go “I gave you an awesome acceleration, what do you mean you need me to do something else?”
The regenerative braking on the Tesla also makes it hard to push.. Whereas the Taycan and Corvette could just carry quite a bit of momentum after an acceleration, the Tesla wants to slow down immediately after you left off the accelerator. Now in track mode you can decrease the amount of regeneration that you encounter (which I did), but you then begin to experience the fact that the brakes feel underpowered without the regen present. So it was very hard to connect the corners as seamlessly as you could in the Corvette and Taycan. The Tesla was very much “let’s slow down going in and accelerate like crazy going out…only to slow back down immediately after corner exit” whereas the Corvette and Taycan were just flying between corners and transitions without any hesitation.
This isn’t to say that the Tesla isn’t fun or can’t be fun in the canyons. In fact I’d say it could pretty handedly curb stomp say a stock C6 Corvette in a canyon. But it very much makes its limitations known and is the least eager to be there.
I would say the Corvette is the winner here by virtue of its talent, but the Taycan is actually the more impressive car to experience in the canyons. You’ll feel like you’re going faster, puling more G’s, and are ultimately safer in the Taycan than you will in the Corvette.
Fun Factor (Corvette vs. Porsche)
This is a tricky one where both cars trade quite a few blows but the Corvette ultimately wins.
The Corvette displays a lot of personality. It is flashy to look at, the engine can draw a lot of attention, and the car presents itself as being totally focused on going fast. You very much do get quite a bit of the supercar experience in the Corvette.
However, the Corvette’s flashiness does have some legitimate downsides. People automatically assume I’m a jerk when I’m in it, traffic is noticeably less accommodating, and I’ve had people go out of their way to try to screw with me. Likewise when you encounter slower traffic in a Corvette it feels like a complete let down. This isn’t to say that the car isn’t comfortable at slower speeds or anything like that, it’s just that the Corvette needs some open space around it for it to really start to show itself and that can be hard to find in a world full of Priuses and folks who like to text while driving.
Interestingly, the Corvette’s comfortable suspension and ability to really back down its aggressiveness in tour mode, makes it a really enjoyable cruiser. Some of my favorite moments in the car have been putting around small little neighborhood roads at 25 mph exploring places I’ve never been to before with some good tunes playing in the background.
In a world full of EV’s the lack of instant torque does make the Corvette feel like it’s missing a bit of an edge in its performance. The C8 is still incredibly fast by all marks and measures, but it isn’t quite satiating me with its acceleration like Corvettes used to in a world prior to EV’s.
The Taycan very much brings you into its own elegant world. When you get inside the car there is almost a deliberate pause, and then the screens burst to life, the seat pushes you towards the steering wheel and you get the sense that the car is ready and willing to take you on its own specially curated trip now that you’ve entered it.
There is a strong level of enjoyment for how nice the car looks and feels on the inside and the perceived level of quality it is able to provide. Every passenger I had in the Taycan kept remarking to themselves “Oh man…this is nice”. I also personally feel like this is the best looking Porsche on the market. It feels properly futuristic, striking and timeless. It very much holds its own compared to the Corvette and you’re always going to enjoy walking up to it and turning around to get one more look before walking away.
The Taycan feels like it can switch itself into a bonafide sports car at any point. I’ve had many occasions where I’ve unexpectedly found myself on a nice stretch of road in my Tesla and wishing I could be in my Corvette. With the Taycan it’s a simple switch to sports mode and you’re there. You can also drive the Taycan much more aggressively without bringing as much attention to yourself. It feels like your own private sports car when you’re inside of it, almost like you’re going undercover so that you can drive however you want in peace.
The Corvette in contrast is very good for those times when you want to give everyone around you the proverbial middle finger. I’ve had times when I’ve been upset at work or situations in life, and just seeing how mean and aggressive the Corvette looks and to experience how pissed off it can sound has made me feel better. It’s a cathartic car to be in and it can really inspire you to keep fighting when you’re feeling a little down.
Lastly, the Corvette has one major advantage over the Taycan and that’s the fact that the roof can come off. There’s just some days where things are better with the top off,the Corvette gives you the option to experience that whenever you need to and I’ve found it to be incredibly gratifying.
Range (Model 3 vs Taycan)
I’d also say that range is a pretty contested topic between these two cars. The Tesla has a very impressive EPA rating of around 300 miles, but most owners (myself included) feel like they do not get anywhere near that range. The Taycan has an objectively abysmal EPA rating of around 220 miles, but most owners feel like the rating is more accurate in the real world or that they can beat the rating by hefty margins.
I did a healthy amount of driving in the Taycan when I had it and subjectively felt that the range dropped about as fast as it dropped in my Tesla when driving like a normal human being. But when I drove the Taycan just a bit more conservatively its range seemed to hold a bit longer than the Tesla’s so I personally feel like that behavior lends credence to what a lot of Taycan owners claim.
I did a few comparisons to measure each car’s range consumption. I unfortunately did not have the time to measure the cars on the exact same route for all of the tests etc. But I drove each car in conditions that I would typically encounter in real life and I feel like this gave me a good enough sense of what I could encounter if I were to buy a Taycan.
One thing to note, the Taycan very much likes to adjust its range estimate based on what mode you’re in and how you’re driving. You can set off for the day with 120 miles of indicated range, put the car in sports mode to take a freeway onramp, and you can come back to normal mode having only 95 miles of range simply because of that sports mode flip and how the Taycan re-estimates its range under sports mode driving conditions.
The Tesla on the other hand seems to stick to its indicated range no matter what but it ops to have it drop much quicker to adjust to your driving style. You’ll never see the Tesla go from 120 miles to 95 miles in an instant like you would in the Taycan, but the Tesla will very quickly subtract down from 120 to 95 miles over the course of say 6 miles if it thinks you’re pushing it hard.
Range Test:
I did an “economical” driving test on both the Taycan and Tesla.
For the Taycan I drove 36 miles on mostly range mode with the speed limiter set to 85 mph. Traffic varied between 70-85mph and the car was generally just keeping up with the flow of traffic, not trying to hyper mile, not trying to push itself.
The car departed with 45% state of charge with a 112 mile range indicated and arrived with a 29% state of charge with a 77 mile range indicated. Interestingly the Taycan’s range estimate was pretty spot on being only 1 mile off.
Considering I got 36 miles for about 16% state of charge I’d have around 225 miles of range with this style of driving.
In the Tesla I did a 25 mile highway drive with similar conditions and speeds. Not trying to hyper mile, not trying to push, just keeping up with the general flow of traffic.
The Tesla left with a 58% state of charge and 169 miles of indicated range and arrived with a 48% state of charge and 140 miles of indicated range. The Tesla’s range estimate was a bit less accurate in this particular scenario, but not offensively so. If I were to extrapolate the 10% state of charge per 25 miles of range I would end up with about 250 miles of range with this style of driving.
Lastly I took both cars on an identical 30 mile canyon run loop. The goal here was to push each car about as hard as I felt comfortable doing. So it included several full throttle accelerations, and just lots of aggressive driving.
The Taycan departed with a 49% state of charge and 132 miles of indicated range and returned with a 28% state of charge and 82 miles left of indicated range. Given the approximate 21% stage of charge loss per 30 miles the Taycan could expect to get around 150 miles of range with this style of driving.
The Tesla departed with a 76% state of charge and 221 miles of indicated range and returned with a 61% state of charge and 177 miles of indicated range. Given the Tesla’s 15% state of charge loss per 30 miles one could expect to get around 190 miles of range with this style of driving.
My general takeaway is the Taycan can hold its own on the highway when driving normally, but the Taycan seems to dump energy much faster than the Tesla when driving aggressively. Likewise, though the Tesla seems to subtract its indicated mileage much faster per state of charge percentage, the Tesla is subtracting from a larger number of miles altogether at around 300 miles of range so you don’t feel like you’re really in any range trouble until you get to the 50 mile mark or so. Whereas in the Taycan you can hit that 50 mile remaining number much more readily and feel the range anxiety set in.
I actually think a big issue with the Taycan is how readily it dumps power when you do push it in a canyon environment. I sometimes have to drive 40 miles to a canyon or twisty road so I can see the Taycan dumping a substantial amount of charge in the canyon itself and not having enough juice to get back.
As a whole I’d probably have to think about range a bit more in the Taycan than I would in the Tesla so the Tesla is the winner here, but I do think I could get the Taycan to work for a lot of situations that I normally encounter.
Cargo Space/Practicality (Model 3 vs Taycan)
A big appeal of the Taycan is the notion of having a pretty sporty driving experience without having to quite sacrifice all of the space that one would in a traditional sports car. While the Taycan does an admirable job on this front the Model 3 does edge it out by a noticeable margin.
I have (5) bags that I keep in my car at all times for work. In the Tesla these are split between the frunk, trunk, and under trunk storage. While things can get tight in the Tesla between these bags I can arrange them in a way where I still have room for something else or a few grocery bags if necessary.
While the Taycan did accommodate all (5) bags it felt maxed out once I got them all in there and I had to arrange the trunk in a particular way to get everything to fit so the trunk could close whereas that is not necessary on the Tesla.
Critically the Taycan’s frunk actually looks to have more storage potential than the Model 3’s thanks to its extra depth, however several of my bags were just ever so slightly too wide to make use of that extra depth. This is likely an inches vs centimeters thing and some slightly different sized bags would likely solve the problem, but I do think it’s something other folks with bags that use Imperial dimensions would run into.
Surprisingly both the frunk and trunk in the Tesla are much nicer to operate compared to the Taycan’s.
The Taycan’s frunk requires you to slide a safety latch to open it while neither the Tesla or Corvette’s frunk requires this. Likewise Tesla’s powered lift gate appears to move faster, does not make an annoying “beeping” noise as it is closing, and the hard plastic interior liner on the backside of Tesla’s trunk is much nicer than the Taycan’s carpeted liner.
Inside the cabin the Tesla has much more space for the rear seats as well as more leg and head room. Likewise the Tesla’s center console offers loads of storage potential plus convenient wireless charging for two. Whereas the Taycan has a janky wireless charger included (that is hard to access and didn’t seem to work for me) and much more limited storage options throughout the cabin.
This isn’t to say that the Taycan’s storage offerings wouldn’t work for most people. But a Tesla owner would have to make decisions about what to not include if moving into a Taycan. There’s something to be said about the Model 3 having smaller dimensions all around and more space to put stuff.
Parking Lot/Tight Spaces (all three)
I personally work in downtown LA frequently and have to navigate my car through tight parking areas and other urban gems. Likewise, I find that parking lots can generally be stressful, especially in nicer cars like a Corvette or Taycan, so an ease of navigating through them does make a marked difference in one’s overall enjoyment.
Here I would say the Taycan and Model 3 are a dead heat whereas the Corvette is a few steps behind both cars.
I have a particular turn around point in my neighborhood cul-de-sac that I consistently have to navigate through. Both the Taycan and Model 3 were able to clear the turn around point at comparable distances whereas the Corvette had to do a 3-point turn.
Supposedly the Corvette has a tighter turn radius than the outgoing C7 but it honestly does not feel that way to me. In tight quarters or parking lot situations, the Corvette feels like it’s a bit helpless to maneuver and I’ve had myself get into trouble with it on a few occasions. Nothing particularly damning or impossible to get out of, but instances where cars are looking at me and are wondering why I’m not making a turn when their car feels like it has enough space in the parking lot.
The Tesla does feel a bit easier to place due to its smaller size and I also find that its parking sensors and rear view camera do a lot to assist you. The Model 3 is frankly the easiest car I’ve had to park and I have no complaints about its turning radius, size, etc. in these situations.
Considering the Taycan’s extra dimensions its turning radius feels like it’s better than the Tesla’s inch for inch, but the extra dimensions do make it a bit less seamless to place and the cameras/driver assistance features do not work consistently enough to rely on. But you can park the car without being too far off the mark of the Model 3, and you are nowhere near the silly situations that can be encountered in the Corvette.
While my particular rental did not have rear axle steering equipped, I do feel like a rear axle steering equipped Taycan would be comparable to place compared to a Model 3 on all accounts and the Taycan without rear axle steering was plenty easy to generally park and maneuver around parking lots despite its size.
Traffic/Daily Driving Comfort (Model 3 vs Taycan)
So this is a major point of emphasis for me between Model 3 and Taycan because I do find myself driving in all sorts of traffic conditions and just need the car to be easy to deal with no matter what I encounter.
The Tesla is a smaller vehicle, has a default ride height that basically never scrapes, has a very helpful nav and parking sensors, and things like one pedal drive and auto hold make for a very “zen-like” driving experience. I’ve basically never encountered a driving situation that made me feel uncomfortable in my Tesla. Likewise the smaller size and instantaneous torque makes it very easy to just slot oneself in wherever needed.
The Taycan is a larger vehicle and it does not offer a one pedal driving mode, both of which made me worry about the Taycan’s overall comfort. However I actually did not miss one pedal driving nearly as much as I thought I would on the Taycan. The lack of one pedal drive allows the car to just glide along somewhat effortlessly, and though you do need to be more aware as a driver, it somehow feels less frenetic than the Tesla. I can’t say it’s preferable to one pedal driving, but it works well enough that I don’t mind not having one pedal driving accessible in the Taycan.
I had a harder time slotting the Taycan into tight spaces compared to the Tesla. This is partially because of the Taycan’s size and partially because its throttle response is not as instantaneous. Likewise, I did have to be mindful of ride height in certain situations, which did add a layer of stress that I am not as used to anymore in my daily commute.
Something about the Taycan does feel like it protects you from the outside world a bit more than the Tesla. The ride is a lot more insulated, helping you arrive in a fresher state and the car drives in a way where it feels like it never really has to assert itself. In the Tesla I feel like I often have to get scrappy to get myself into a position that I’d like, but the Taycan never really calls for it.
Visibility between the Taycan and Tesla is pretty comparable, but the Taycan’s mirrors do feel like they are in a better position to see behind you, and the blind spot warning system gives you an immediate level of awareness that the Tesla does not offer.
After going back and forth between both cars the Taycan’s steering across all modes feels a bit more weighty and effortful. This becomes a disadvantage on the streets because you do feel this steering weight along with the car’s actual weight when making tighter maneuvers, but on the highway the Taycan feels much more sure footed and its steering works better there compared to the Tesla’s.
As an odd point of consideration, I do think the Tesla is a nicer cabin to be in when the car’s not moving. It feels a little more spacious and I’ve had no problems working on my laptop in the front seat or taking a nap in the rear seat. I think taking a nap in the rear seat of a Taycan would be hard to accomplish because of how the rear seat is shaped. While the front seat offers plenty of space to work if needed, the car generally feels like it wants you to drive it, whereas the Tesla is okay with you hanging out in it. However the Taycan actually feels like the nicer to cabin to be in when you are moving. That protection and insolation from the outside world just really gives you a sense of comfort and escape which is nice.
A big thing that helps the Taycan is the fact that it does have a “hold” feature if you press the brake pedal down strongly when at a stop. Now the Tesla can do this for you every single time your car comes to a stop, but I found that being able to have the option to “hold” in the Taycan was a minor tipping point in daily driving/comfort that helps it compared to the Tesla.
All in all I’d say the Tesla wins this particular category. But the Taycan is not as far off in this category as I remember it being.
Highway Driving (all three)
The Taycan is the best highway driver of the three. It is smooth, well insulated, and happy to give you a strong shove of torque no matter what speed you are going on the highway. One of my worries with the Taycanwas the lack of one pedal driving making it feel less comfortable to drive on the highway, but I actually found its auto recuperation mode to be a big win.
Auto Recuperation essentially allows the car to coast when it is not near other vehicles, helping to optimize range, but when it is near vehicles it adds regen and frictional braking to help keep a safe distance. With this on I found that I actually had to touch the pedals less than I had to when in the Tesla, and found that the system did a good job keeping me at safe distances and generally out of trouble.
The Tesla is the next best of the bunch. It does have noticeably louder wind and road noises at highway speeds, but it has a punchy torque delivery from 60-80mph which makes it very easy to slot itself into small gaps in the highway. However the Tesla’s power does seem to fall off past 80mph compared to the Taycan. One pedal driving on the Tesla is very much a treat, as it makes it very easy to respond to changing road conditions (just take your foot off the pedal and you’ve scrubbed 10mph off your speed in a few seconds). Likewise in stop and go traffic situations it makes everything very easy and comfortable to manage. However you do find yourself having to constantly apply the throttle pedal to maintain highway speeds. So while the Tesla does a great job on the highway, the Taycan feels like it is much more optimized for it as a whole.
The Corvette is very comfortable on the highway thanks to its adaptive dampers and you can tell that it’s a car that is happy to eat miles for you. I’d say it’s definitely one of the easiest and most relaxing sports cars to take on a longer road trip. Unfortunately, you begin to really miss EV torque when on the highway with the Corvette. You can drop a few gears, rev like crazy, get yourself up 100mph and it feels like nothing happened compared to how much instantaneous torque the Taycan and Model 3 offer at highway speeds. Likewise I’m often happy to push the Model 3 to higher speeds on the highway because of how quiet the car is, but past 80mph the Corvette’s style and exhaust essentially announces “Come look at me I’m breaking the law!” or in some people’s eyes “I’m a douchebag”. So you do have to be much more mindful of your throttle usage.
The Corvette does also have an odd size and seating position that just makes it hard to really feel confident shooting a gap on the highway. So the lack of instantaneous torque and its odd shape/size makes it the least enjoyable highway cruiser, though it still does an incredible job for an ICE sports car and is by no means bad by other measures.
Conclusion:
So can the Taycan best a C8 Model 3 Combo?
The Taycan’s driving experience really is good enough where it is an incredibly tempting proposition. I personally think you get very close to the experience of how a Corvette cuts up canyons, with a lot of the convenience and practicality you’d expect from an EV. In my eyes it's currently as close as you can get to a sports car while having 4 doors. For me a big source of its appeal is being able to experience the speed and specialness of the Corvette a lot more frequently in day to day driving scenarios and to experience that speed in a way that draws a lot less attention and feels generally safer on the streets.
However this math only makes sense looking at the used market. Used Taycan Turbo and 4S models can be had for $110Kish, and really the Taycan Turbo is the one to make a move on at that price range. However at around $140K new for say a well optioned 4S the C8 and Model 3 combo makes more sense.
All in all the Taycan really is the first proper "do it all" car that I have encountered and I think we have a lot to look forward to with a plethora of of EV options coming to market soon.

I see everyone on here talking about choosing orders by mileage, which I dont understand at all, like I'm in a pretty populous area, but unless you all live in a big city I can't see accepting by mileage being condusive to consistent enough orders to make anywhere close to 100 dollars in a day. I always go by dollars per hour. I'm sure it's not ideal for my car but I'd surely be spending a third of my money on gas just waiting most of the time if I went for 2 dollars a mile like I've seen suggested.

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I had originally reserved a '22 Corolla Cross that was allocated to my local dealership. It was AWD XLE with JBL package. Apparently, it was so close to the end of the model year, Toyota cancelled building the car. We were in a position where we thought we needed a vehicle asap (which we actually didn't) and wound up buying my '23 Rav4 XLE AWD in Lunar Rock. I've always liked the look of the recent generation of Rav4 and Lunar Rock is my favorite color by far. The cons of buying the Rav4 were there is no power lift gate and no JBL system. The former was more important to me than the latter. Also, I only drive around town and up a lot of hills so my gas mileage sucks (anywhere from 17-22mpg).
So the dealership has a '23 Corolla Cross HYBRID XSE AWD incoming and I am curious if I should entertain switching. I drove a '22 gas and loved it. I know this is a Rav4 forum, but are there any more pros/cons I should consider in my decision? (I already have the financials sorted out and I'm okay with that part).

Just got a new 23 Corolla LE, car came with tires around 45 psi, is that too high? I thought 35 psi was what they were supposed to be. I’m getting pretty good gas mileage though!

I’m trying to find the very standard XLs with a hybrid engine. This dealer has one hybrid and one ecoboost.
Honestly, as much as I want the hybrid for work purposes (I have to drive an hour and a half to work every day), how different is the gas mileage really? Is it worth getting an ecoboost over a hybrid if the hybrid doesn’t work out for some reason?
Also, any tips for lowering the price would be super helpful. All the dealers near me mark up the truck about $4000ish.

Hello Everyone,
I am in need of a pickup truck to replace my 4Runner as I have two jetskis and am looking to get a UTV and need to tow it (roughly 7500lbs max). I am not sure if I should go to a to a 1/2 ton or a 3/4 ton. I have a paid off 4Runner TRD Pro I am selling. I am willing to finance or lease depending on which is better for a new pickup based upon reliability .
Requirements:

• Ride needs to be as comfortable as possible since I will be doing 4 hr+ drives to Moab/Lake Tahoe with a trailer alot. I also live by lakes locally and during the Summer-Fall I constantly will be towing as I am a big fan of offroading and going to the lake. I really am sick of tire roar in my 4Runner and it makes my ears ring on long drives.
• Bed can fit appliances as I am going through a remodel and am sick of renting pickups. I didnt realize how often I needed to use a bed of a truck.
• Least annoying driver's infotainment to use.
• Most reliable of the domestic brands (I used to be a Toyota fan but I drove the new Tundra and hated it both in looks and ride quality so I am ditching them for good)
• Capable of handling a dirt and gravel road (I noticed alot of top trim trucks have 21-22in. rims. which makes me question if you can take them offroad at all).
• Nice enough to daily when I am not driving our SUV (BMW x7). My wife often uses it so I dont want to be stuck without a car and I want to buy something purely for me to use. She absoutely despises pickups and asked me a bunch of times to not get one, but I have learned SUVs just suck for towing large weight, she can drive that and leave me be.
• Least punishing dealership experience for servicing, again Toyota here is awful for this, its so bad I go to a Lexus dealer for oil changes, brake jobs and diff fluids just so I wont have to deal with the insane backlog.
• Durable enough to handle salt on roads without rotting out and capable of being left outside in snow without ruining the paint.
• Must have at least a v8 if its a gasoline engine, my 4Runner has a v6 and its so slow. (I am not opposed to diesel either if they are reliable)

Budget: 100k max
No Brand Loyalty (used to be Toyota but the hybrid v6 utterly put me off and the interior I did not like, especially the tablet.
No EV trucks, my neighbor had a Rivian R1T and already dumped it when he tried towing with it and shared with me his experience, I dont want to learn the same lesson he did. Plus I refuse to own anything without Apple Carplay.
I give zero shits about fuel economy as long as its not under 10mpg and can take costco premium without knocking if its gasoline.
What I have checked out so far.
Toyota Tundra Capstone: Ugly looks, annoying tablet, awful ride that actually made me feel carsick, laggy powertain that doesnt save really much gas, and why white leather in a truck?! The dealer tried to offer me an allocation on a TRD Pro like my 4Runner with 20k markup! I told him to get lost.
GMC Sierra Denali Ultimate: Loved the interior, it rode almost as nice as our SUV, not sure however if its reliable or can go offroad with the 21inch. rims. The supercruise is amazing but they told me 7-9 months with all the options I wanted so I walked out (I just wanted the supercruise) and they tried panic calling me a few times, they STILL are blowing up my phone even a week after hounding me.
Ford F150 Raptor: Tire roar was unbearably loud at highway speeds even worse than my modded 4Runner and the markup was unpleasant. They have even less inventory, just v6 F150s in low trims so I bailed on them too. Again same as the GMC dealers they are phone pests. I didnt even get to try the super duties because they didnt let me drive one and said a v6 F150 is enough (basically trying to force me to buy something on the lot), sorry I want something better If I am willing to pay that.
I am not sure where I should go from here honestly, I am not very knowledgable about trucks, I liked the idea of the 2024 GMC 2500 HD AT4 as well, but all the GMC dealers here are connected and have the most miserable inventories. They have used current gen HD 2500/3500 trucks, but their interiors just dont match up to price they are asking, they remind me of Tahoes in the worst way.
I was thinking that the offroad variants with more sidewall would be a better ride, but I am not sure when it comes to trucks and could use some more info on this. I heard good things about Ram minus their reliability. Where I live pretty much everyone has a top trim GMC Sierra/2550 or Ford SuperDuty as their hauler because they always are towing horse trailers or boats. What would you all reccomend?
Thanks!